So we'll be saving £350 million a week to fund the NHS and getting rid of all the immigrants
Only we've been told this morning already that neither of those things are going to happen... oh...
Well done. Leave voters, you've been sold a lie.
The BIG MetroPoll - IN or OUT ?
Well, they didn't care when they were told these things were lies repeatedly throught the campaign after all. And I wonder if they care the things they dismissed as "scaremongering" are already coming true. The dollar was at the lowest level it's been in my lifetime within hours!.
me wrote:We may think of ourselves as a tolerant and open-minded nation but in fact on the whole we are not. We are opinionated, closed-minded, selfish and intolerant of change and difference. We believe lies and sneer at the truth. We turn blind eyes to swearing by children in the streets, public displays of aggression and anti-social behaviour, people in need of help and disrespect figures in authority or those who would help us. We donate pennies to charity and spend hundreds on phones. We watch Jeremy Kyle in our millions and ignore worthy, intelligent programming. The Sun and the Mail sell millions of copies, the Indy and the Guardian f--- all. We are a horrible, judgmental, sneering and cynical country.
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robschneider
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I'm going to do it. I'm going to drag Eurovision into this.
Every May, what line are we sold when, say, it's suggested we might have a good chance of doing well at Eurovision?
"Don't be stupid. Europe hates us."
That may be true. I think it's a combination of that and the BBC not fielding stronger entries personally, but that's the line every Joe Average comes out with, every single May.
"I don't know why we bother because they all hate us."
Now with a couple of exceptions post-2000, for whatever reason our run of form at the ESC has been fucking dire. In my opinion sometimes we've deserved a poor finish, sometimes we've not. That's an artistic thing and thus down to whether each song was considered "good" or "bad" in an individual's mind.
What I'm bothered about is that refrain you hear, every May: "Europe hates us."
I'm not saying people cast their votes based on our form at Eurovision (well, I certainly hope not) - but if that's their belief, that "Europe hates the UK" - can you blame so many people for voting Leave?
Every May, what line are we sold when, say, it's suggested we might have a good chance of doing well at Eurovision?
"Don't be stupid. Europe hates us."
That may be true. I think it's a combination of that and the BBC not fielding stronger entries personally, but that's the line every Joe Average comes out with, every single May.
"I don't know why we bother because they all hate us."
Now with a couple of exceptions post-2000, for whatever reason our run of form at the ESC has been fucking dire. In my opinion sometimes we've deserved a poor finish, sometimes we've not. That's an artistic thing and thus down to whether each song was considered "good" or "bad" in an individual's mind.
What I'm bothered about is that refrain you hear, every May: "Europe hates us."
I'm not saying people cast their votes based on our form at Eurovision (well, I certainly hope not) - but if that's their belief, that "Europe hates the UK" - can you blame so many people for voting Leave?
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AgainWTheNorth
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I actually posted this in an EU Referendum post on The TV Lounge.
And I can't honestly say more than that.Meanwhile, a London resident has started a change.org petition wanting London to be its own country. That would make it the one of the smallest countries in the world. Also, Scotland wants to flee from UK and join EU with a new independence vote. Sinn Fein wants a unified Ireland after claims of "dragging Northern Ireland out of the EU".
Oh, and stocks are plummeting in the UK, Europe, and Japan. And the yen is getting a boost.
...And the sterling is falling. (not to mention Cameron resigning)
Basically, everyone in the UK who wanted to remain has hit damage control.
Also, Donald Trump went to Scotland and called Brexit "a great thing" and also said "People want to take their country back, they want to have independence in a sense, and you see it with Europe, all over Europe, and you’re going to have more than just, in my opinion, more than just what happened last night." Again, he did this in SCOTLAND, which was not good. Heck, the NYTimes article I'm quoting for Donald's quotes even says "His message...was not necessarily welcome here in Scotland, whose citizens...were already discussing the possibility of breaking from England as a result of [Brexit]." (yes it was edited, but the main gist of it still remains)
Then again, I'm an American - what do I know?
Fuck me.robschneider wrote:I'm going to do it. I'm going to drag Eurovision into this.
Every May, what line are we sold when, say, it's suggested we might have a good chance of doing well at Eurovision?
"Don't be stupid. Europe hates us."
That may be true. I think it's a combination of that and the BBC not fielding stronger entries personally, but that's the line every Joe Average comes out with, every single May.
"I don't know why we bother because they all hate us."
Now with a couple of exceptions post-2000, for whatever reason our run of form at the ESC has been fucking dire. In my opinion sometimes we've deserved a poor finish, sometimes we've not. That's an artistic thing and thus down to whether each song was considered "good" or "bad" in an individual's mind.
What I'm bothered about is that refrain you hear, every May: "Europe hates us."
I'm not saying people cast their votes based on our form at Eurovision (well, I certainly hope not) - but if that's their belief, that "Europe hates the UK" - can you blame so many people for voting Leave?
Every time someone says things like this to me, I ask them"If you didn't know what country sung each song and you could vote for anyone, would you pick ours as the best". And almost without exception the answer is no.robschneider wrote:I'm going to do it. I'm going to drag Eurovision into this.
Every May, what line are we sold when, say, it's suggested we might have a good chance of doing well at Eurovision?
"Don't be stupid. Europe hates us."
That may be true. I think it's a combination of that and the BBC not fielding stronger entries personally, but that's the line every Joe Average comes out with, every single May.
"I don't know why we bother because they all hate us."
Now with a couple of exceptions post-2000, for whatever reason our run of form at the ESC has been fucking dire. In my opinion sometimes we've deserved a poor finish, sometimes we've not. That's an artistic thing and thus down to whether each song was considered "good" or "bad" in an individual's mind.
What I'm bothered about is that refrain you hear, every May: "Europe hates us."
I'm not saying people cast their votes based on our form at Eurovision (well, I certainly hope not) - but if that's their belief, that "Europe hates the UK" - can you blame so many people for voting Leave?
Europe doesn't hate us. We're just not very good at sending winning songs.
(one person, who after being played a handful of songs for this question, was convinced I was lying that the birds eye potato waffle song was our entry as it was so bad "we can't win with that" he said...)
There's a petition with close to a million signatures asking for a second referendum: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215
Unfortunately it does it on the flimsy ground that the rules should retrospectively by changed to require a majority of at least 60%; so it'll be dismissed most likely.
I think a second referendum, possibly at the beginning of an Article 50 declaration (itself probably years away) is what will happen though. The Leave campaign's claims are unravelling faster than expected and there are some pretty strong statements of regret from leave voters.
Unfortunately it does it on the flimsy ground that the rules should retrospectively by changed to require a majority of at least 60%; so it'll be dismissed most likely.
I think a second referendum, possibly at the beginning of an Article 50 declaration (itself probably years away) is what will happen though. The Leave campaign's claims are unravelling faster than expected and there are some pretty strong statements of regret from leave voters.